On Thursday night, Tucker Carlson gave a full-throated defense of President Donald Trump‘s reported “sh*thole countries” remark regarding U.S. immigration policy — and how the U.S. admits people from from places like El Salvador, Haiti, and other African nations. “President Trump said something that almost every single person in America actually agrees with,” Carlson said. “An awful lot of immigrants come from this country from other places that aren’t very nice. Those places are dangerous, they’re dirty, they’re corrupt, and they’re poor and that’s the main reason those immigrants are trying to come here and you would too if you live there.” The Fox News host said that Trump’s use of the expletive “is not surprising” since he “uses them all the time,” but wondered why “virtually everyone in Washington, New York, and LA” is treating it like a “major event.” Carlson was then joined former communications director for President Obama‘s 2012 campaign Jose Parra to discuss. But before getting into it with him, Carlson accused CNN commentator Joan Walsh of lying when she said she “can’t say” where she’d choose to live between Norway or Haiti when pressed by Rich Lowry during a panel. “If we have gotten to the point where we all have to pretend that every country is as exactly as nice as every other country, then we are being dishonest,” Carlson said. “But the idea that you are not allowed to say that they’re pretty crummy countries. Haiti, for example, or El Salvador — I have been to both of them. That’s why people are leaving them to come here. So I don’t understand what the sin is. You are not allowed to point out other countries aren’t as good places to live as America? Like, what is the problem?” Parra invoked Trump’s comments after Charlottesville as part of the reason why his remarks today are facing backlash, but Carlson quickly dismissed the notion, asking Parra to “be rational here” and insisting they’re “not the same thing.” Parra doubled down, saying that Trump is only targeting “countries with brown people” instead of European nations that are also struggling with things like crime. Carlson pointed out that according to the U.N., Norway is the “most developed country in the world” while Haiti is the “poorest place in the hemisphere.” “People are actually staying in this country right now legally because Haiti is so bad, we don’t think they should have to return,” Carlson said. “So if you say Norway is a better place to live and Haiti is kind of a hole, well anyone who’s been to those countries or has lived in them would agree! But we’re jumping up and down, ‘Oh, you can’t say that!’ Why can’t you say that?!?” Watch the clip above, via Fox News.